Going to give these a few days and hopefully post the BS near the end of the week.

Cynabal nerf is pretty big, this isnt "keeping it the same" at all.
It's losing 1/4 of its powergrid.

Which of these do you think would make a better cynabal rebalance?

The option we do feel good about is warp speed. It supports the hit and run playstyle that Angels are already best at without forcing us to make changes to the combat performance. So, we are looking at roughly a 50% increase in warp speed and acceleration for all three, putting the Cynabal at warp speed multiplier of 5, which is basically destroyer speed. I've also updated the OP with a new powergrid number.

It will be 50% increase for all of them so 4.5 for the Cynabal.

The missile pirate faction doesn't exist yet. There's Lasers, Projectiles, Drones x2, and Hybrids. Missile faction coming soon.. maybe. Minm+Caldari faction.

One option for the cynabal is to take it in a different direction and have it be a faction logistics ship

Or that they'd leave the drone bays for guristas themselves intact, then focus on missiles for them...

Thanks for having an ear to the community and reconsidering the heavy nerf on the Cynabal and picking one of the suggested specific trait in this thread.

Here, many months later, the Navy Raven is a very well regarded pve ship and even after the markets settled down is STILL way more expensive to by than the Fleet Typhoon (don't get me wrong, the Fleet phoon is great and I fly it, but the Navy Raven is something special....which we tried to explain way back then lol).

- Machariel - No thanks, I like my utility high. Unless they're doing it as a pure buff without taking away from another bonus, which is incredibly unlikely.

- Rattlesnake - I get a sneaking feeling that they're going to give that big tasty bonus to only heavy drones and not to sentries, 'cause that seems to be the road they're taking with the guristas ships. Heavy drone speed buff would be nice, but not holding my breath.

- Nestor - No way will it get a cov ops cloak and probably won't be touched by this balance pass. Devs have previously stated that if ANY BS ever gets a covops cloak, it will be the T2 Black Ops battleships who will be first in line. Honestly, Nestor is a solid ship now, just too expensive to see widespread use.

At what price does the Nestor become viable for widespread use??

In the vast majority of situations, a Bhaalgorn will do a much better job than a neut 'geddon, unless you REALLY need that extra 10km range. It can neut harder and hit harder. The fact is that the 'geddon does a good job for about a quarter of the price. It isn't the best for the job, but it's perfectly suitable for the job.

Yeah..thats bad. For starters, you moved the resistance to a flat role bonus, without adjusting the percentage.

3 things.

1. CCP have correctly stated they want to tie drone bonuses to the role bonus, so that players can use them effectively off the bat.
2. Your iteration actually is a nerf to the current Rattler, since you remove bonuses from med, scout and sentry drones, just to add a speed bonus to heavies.
3. The amount of equivalent heavies on the field (7.5) is the same as all other drone boats. It adds nothing new and it breaks the worm/gila re-balance focus.

So, the bonus is going to be a big % bonus to heavies (and maybe sentries) EHP and Damage. The bandwidth will be 50, with the drone bay maybe at 200. If sentries are not bonused in the hull, we might see a tracking or speed bonus for the heavies.

Enough theorycrafting though, we will know soon..C:

Also, a missile bonus on a drone boat has very little place. The Gila should have a medium drone speed/tracking buff. After all, if you want medium drones to be used someday in the future, they need to be capable of compensating for the terrible drone AI that is now.

There are a ton of opportunities here now that Amarr and Caldari drones are getting love, the fact that medium drones will be faster in general and the fact that it will be able to use RLMLs will a hefty damage bonus to wreck frigates.

You must be pretty stupid to only be looking at the miniscule upsides to these changes. The Guristas had great versatility before these changes and now they are being forced into extremely niche roles.

Why? You end up with 6 unbonused missile launchers.
Torps will have lost the range bonus so will force you to be inside 20k
6 unbonused cruise is next to pointless with heavy drones, which again by nature force you to be close to your target.
Forget rapid heavies because, well, , , heavy missiles
Use rigs to augment missile damage on a snake your pretty much committing suicide.
The PG & CPU nerfs that are sure to come with the "balance" will certainly have a big impact on how you fit the ship.

Gile & Rattlesnake, the 2 ships I loved to use sentries to snipe with - Gone.

Pretty sure this thread is labeled [Pirate Faction CRUISERS], so give the BS talk a rest, and wait for that threadnaught.

When are we getting the battleship proposals. I thought they would be out by today at the latest...

Look for the battleship post at the start of next week.

why the delay?

The Cynabal really needs a new niche. Having a warp speed one class below is not worth the price tag. It should either have 150% warp speed increase or something else.

But once the fight starts the bonus is useless. My suggestion was just off the top of my head. But at least its a bonus that plays a role throughout the fight. I would prefer something along those lines.

At the risk of beating a dead horse... Concerning the Cynabal:

• 15% reduction per level to the heat generated by overloading afterburners and microwarpdrives?

Maybe?

Also, can we get a less horrendously ugly model for the Gila already?

Better change the Gila to have a Drake hull.

The Gila is a glorious glorious beast, leave it alone you bastard >=[

8-6-6 should be mach layout 7 turrets is fine allows a neut

Either give the mach 8 turrets or drop it to 6 turrets and boost their output. Yes, I'm totally serious.

Initially I was pleased, but the more I thought about it, the more I thought to myself, "sheesh - this kinda pigeon-holes the Gila into one role: wham-o blam-o (technical terms, that wham blam). 'Cause sometimes we'd like to field a full flight of light logi-drones or e-war (which, I guess just means save-my-butt hornet ec-300s). But as it is, a "lowly" tristan can field more logi drones than the Gila. And so can the Algos. And the Omen. Etc. Etc. Etc.

so am I right to think dramiela and mach will be getting warp speed boost as well?

if they change the ape carrying a briefcase im canceling sub(gila)

Thanks for putting the proper justification out for the extra bandwidth.

Your argument is literally...

so the snake will get 2 super heavy drones because that doesn't overshadow other ship lines GǪ that logic was the Dev's btw not mine, on why the gila got 2 mediums - because Ishtar

The battleships are already here;

All we are waiting for now are the particulars. And they've already told us we'll be waiting for a while.

And that post is still more on topic than the "I want the battleship stats" posting.

I really do think most of the "sky is falling" is coming from people who don't want to give up their sentry drones. I've said as much a few times.

not sure if the code can support this change but why not limit gurista ships to just 2 hardcapped drones launched

and secondly nope you cant rework guri ships to your dream missle pirate faction

Well I currently rat with 2 Gila and one Rattlesnake utilizing 15 sentry drones. I guess that's out of the window now

Role Bonus:
25% Kinetic and Thermal missile damage

Give me 5 medium drones with 100% damage and hitpoint bonus and the ability to use light drones (ecm, logi). Yep I'll take a cut in missile dps. I would rather have a drone boat with versatile and strong drones than a halfassed, niche drone boat with missiles.

I agree there is little to no hope of change at this stage.
Which is the reason for my starting a previous post with - DAMN IT, this is a good idea.

Question on the Gila regarding the Gallente cruiser bonus - how the hell did the gallente side of the ship managed to received a missile damage bonus?

Please just shut up already

18.9 billion ISK Raven... just saying...